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A graduate of UNC Wilmington, Kennedy lives by the beach with her partner and enjoys playing games, puzzling, sipping matcha, and collecting tattoos. Ask her about her favorite movies, recent meals she’s cheffed up, or whatever video game she’s fixated on. She’ll have plenty to say.
Beyond your own work (of course), what is your all-time favorite book and why? And what is your favorite book outside of your genre?
Piranesi by Susanna Clarke!! I’ve made it my own personal mission to beg everyone who asks me what my favorite book is to read this treasure of literature. It’s best to go in without knowing anything beforehand, like I did. Your mind will be BLOWN. I love this book mostly because of its humorous narration and multi-layered protagonist, but also because of its incredibly thorough description, well-threaded message, and breathtaking language. This is a book I wish I’d been the one to write. It’s astounding.
Which character have you enjoyed getting to know while writing THERE USED TO BE PEOPLE HERE?
Samuel has become even more dear to me throughout this process of promoting my debut, honestly because of how many different ways I’ve been asked to think about him. He thinks of himself as so little, and yet, readers have lauded him as a strong, heavy-hitting character who’s left a long-lasting impression. I feel like I’ve gotten to know him more leading up to There Used to Be People Here’s release, and he isn’t even mainstream yet!
What’s one thing that readers would be surprised to find out about you?
I went to a private school from Kindergarten to 12th grade…so, same school, thirteen years. There were a little over thirty people in my graduating class. No, I wasn’t sheltered. But I did learn so so much more about myself once I started attending college.
What chapter was the most memorable to write and why?
Definitely Chapter [], when Samuel and Harvey confront Jessie and the story’s supernatural element is fully revealed. I definitely had the most fun writing this chapter, because it was when everything started to click together for me as the writer, too. It’s a pretty terrifying scene, too, which is always fun to write when you’re in the horror genre.
What were your feelings when your first novel was accepted/when you first saw the cover of the finished product?
Oh, my gosh. It’s so hard to put a single word to all of my feelings at the time. When my novel was first accepted, I was in my last semester of college graduating early. I’d just met the man who’s now my fiance, I had pretty much no money, and I didn’t want to move back home to live with my family (sorry, Mom and Dad). I’d just gotten my first taste of independence living in a one bedroom apartment, and I didn’t want to give that up. So, when I got my book deal, it was a mixture of unbelief, amazement, and relief all at once. I could stay living in my apartment, sustain my own financial needs, and chase my dream of being an author after all. All before graduation. Woohoo!!
TEN RANDOM FACTS ABOUT THERE USED TO BE PEOPLE HERE
- I “pantsed” this novel. When I was writing the first draft, I did no planning, no character mapping, no plot ideas…I had no idea what was going to happen. When things started to figure themselves out, my first thought was “oh, cool!” Little did I know it’d end up being my debut just a few years later.
- This is the first time I, a queer Black woman, have written a story featuring a Black protagonist. Having grown up at a predominantly white school for thirteen years, and having mainly consumed literature that didn’t feature Black characters until college, it didn’t even cross my mind to include my skin color in my writing as a kid. This was a project where I decided to explore my own identity and who I am as an individual. A lot of that exploration bled into Samuel’s character development, too.
- Cassandra was originally Samuel’s wife. For like, three chapters. Then I realized it wouldn’t work for where I wanted to take Samuel’s character. Harvey was already a part of the story at this point, but he did get a major upgrade in terms of plot relevance.
- There was a moment when I planned to remove Cassandra’s character from the story. It was after I received my first round of beta reader feedback, and one or two of them suggested taking her out of the story. This was entirely on me, though, because the reasoning for this suggestion was that she was barely on the page before her untimely fate; she wasn’t working, and one of the solutions could’ve been to write her off the page. Obviously, I’m really, really glad I didn’t.
- Chief Kane was originally the main “villain.” He had a lot more to do with what was going on behind the scenes—a puppet of the F.B.I.—and even showed up during the final confrontation with the Taurid to stop Samuel and Harvey from going inside. I think I did right by changing his character. Now, he’s a rare case instead of another example.
- Samuel and Harvey were a lot more intimate in the first draft. During their coming out scene, things got a little more “hot and heavy” than they do in the final version. Like I mentioned, this novel was entirely unplanned, so when I was first writing, I had a little more fun in terms of what happened on the page. Upon establishing the one week timeline, though, and realizing that Samuel’s character is asexual, I decided to dial it waaaay back for this scene. I always prefer a slow burn, anyway.
- The prologue is actually an excerpt from the short story that inspired this novel. When I first started writing There Used to Be People Here, it was a continuation of a story I’d written during a fiction class in college. So, when I was asked to add a prologue to the story, I decided to go back to my roots. It’s such an incredible, full circle moment that I’m extremely proud of.
- I removed an item in this story that served as the main weapon against the taur. I’m not going to get into specifics, but in the first version, when Samuel and Harvey initially find the Taurid in the rain, they also find a device left by the F.B.I. that detects when the taur are near. In the final version, I deleted the device and instead used Samuel’s infection as a censor, which makes a lot more sense and isn’t nearly as confusing.
- Samuel and Harvey have historical counterparts. Samuel Battle was the first Black police officer in NYC. Harvey Milk was one of the first openly gay elected officials.
- In the first draft, Louise—Samuel and Cassandra’s golde labrador—didn’t make it. You can probably guess why I changed this.
When you looked in the mirror first thing this morning, what was the first thing you thought?
What day is it? Seriously. I spent two minutes trying to figure out if it was Tuesday or Wednesday. I landed firmly on Tuesday, then realized I was wrong. Give me a few minutes to wake up in the morning before trying to talk to me, please.
What day is it? Seriously. I spent two minutes trying to figure out if it was Tuesday or Wednesday. I landed firmly on Tuesday, then realized I was wrong. Give me a few minutes to wake up in the morning before trying to talk to me, please.
What was your favorite subject when you were in school?
I loved English (obviously) because of all the books I read and the authors I discovered, but history was also a subject I deeply appreciated. I almost minored in it in college, before the realization that I’d be writing essays and analyses practically every week hit me like a fire truck.
At a movie theater, which arm rest is yours?
I’m right-handed, but honestly, the left one. I like to lean in toward whoever I’m in the theater with, and typically, they’re sitting on my left side.
When was the last time you told someone you loved them?
I have the greatest honor of living with my fiance, and we tell each other we love one another pretty much every ten minutes.
What is the first job you have had?
I worked as a team member at a movie theater for just one month before starting college. I was seventeen years old serving beer and wine, and I worked during the opening weekend of one of the Fast and Furious movies. I do not, and will ever, recommend working at a movie theater.
I worked as a team member at a movie theater for just one month before starting college. I was seventeen years old serving beer and wine, and I worked during the opening weekend of one of the Fast and Furious movies. I do not, and will ever, recommend working at a movie theater.
Best date you've ever had?
My fiance and I went to the zoo for my birthday and it was incredible. We stayed in a beautiful tiny cabin, enjoyed what’s now one of our favorite restaurants, heard a lion roar, saw a polar bear swimming laps, and split a slice of cheesecake. It’s one of my favorite memories with him.
Wenton, Mississippi: A man enters the bathroom of a local gay bar and doesn’t come back out. Instead he’s found cold, on the floor, and facing the wall. And no one seems to know how this happened.
Samuel Barkley is Wenton’s only Black detective. Assigned to the case, Samuel’s one goal is to keep his head down with eyes on moving up in the police ranks. But it’s not easy with Harvey, a new, temporary partner who Samuel can’t seem to like…or hate. Nor with the cold, questioning eyes and fake smiles from those in town. Persistent. Judging. Wrong. Samuel is reaching his breaking point.
As his investigation leads him to a curious plane crash cover-up, Samuel’s placid existence is turned on its head. Because what crashed in Wenton isn’t a plane. There are others here. They like it here. And if Samuel can’t stop them, they will find a way to stay.
With shades of The X-Files and S. A. Cosby, There Used to Be People Here deftly explores race, queerness, and existing as other in a society that demonizes everything different.






















